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### Viewing cable 08CAIRO255, DEFMIN TANTAWI SAYS EGYPT READY TO MEET ISRAEL AND

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08CAIRO255 | 2008-02-11 15:25 | 2011-04-20 00:00 | CONFIDENTIAL | Embassy Cairo

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    C O N F I D E N T I A L CAIRO 000255

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    STATE FOR NEA/ELA AND PM
    NSC FOR PASCUAL
    SECDEF FOR OSD

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/11/2018
    TAGS: PREL PTER MARR KPAL EG IS
    SUBJECT: DEFMIN TANTAWI SAYS EGYPT READY TO MEET ISRAEL AND
    PA ON GAZA

    Classified By: DCM Stuart E. Jones for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).

    ¶1. (C) Summary:  Minister of Defense Tantawi told A/S Welch
    February 7 that he would welcome a visit by Israeli Defense
    Minister Barak or Amos Gilad to discuss moving forward with
    solving the Gaza border crisis.  Tantawi said that he
    personally would not object to four-way talks involving the
    PA, Egypt, Israel, and U.S., but that was a "political
    decision" and would need final approval from others,
    including EGIS Chief Omar Soliman and Foreign Minster Aboul
    Gheit.  End summary.

    ¶2.  (C) NEA Assistant Secretary David Welch and Ambassador
    Ricciardone met February 7 with Egyptian Minister of Defense
    Field Marshal Mohamed Tantawi.  (Joining Tantawi were
    Assistant Minister of Defense for Policy MG Ahmed Al Assar,
    Assistant Minister of Defense for Armament MG Fouad Abdel
    Halim, and Director of Military Intelligence MG Murad Mowafy.
     OMC Chief MG Collings, L/FO Jonathan Schwartz, NSC Michael
    Pascual, and ECPO Min-Couns William Stewart, notetaker,
    joined A/S Welch and Ambassador Ricciardone.)  Tantawi began
    the hour-long meeting by reporting that the situation at
    Rafah on the Gaza border was "calm."  "But we must do
    something to stop Hamas."

    ¶3. (C) A/S Welch said that the U.S. has three goals in Gaza,
    which we hoped Egypt shared:  denying Hamas any political
    advantage, and ensuring that the victory clearly goes to the
    PA and President Abbas; ensuring that the sovereignty and
    security of Egypt and Israel are protected; and regulating
    the border between Egypt and Gaza in a better way.  While
    Hamas' breaching of the border wall was not good, it
    nevertheless presented an opportunity to move forward, and
    for Egypt to strengthen its position on the border and
    improve its image in the United States.

    ¶4. (C) Tantawi stressed that the Gaza problem did not belong
    to Egypt alone -- it affects Israel and the United States,
    too.  Thus, the effort needed to address it should not come
    only from Egypt, but from all those affected.  You must try
    to convince Israel to stop cutting off humanitarian supplies
    to the Palestinians, Tantawi said.  "Not all Gazans are
    Hamas."  The trouble is that when Israel tightens the siege
    around Gaza, "thousands of innocent men, women, and children
    suffer."  As the pressure increases, the inevitable explosion
    of people will be against Egypt, Tantawi said, not Israel,
    because "the Palestinians know the Israelis will shoot them
    but we won't."  And this is exactly what happened when Hamas
    breached the border wall and tens of thousands Palestinians
    flooded into Egypt, creating chaos.  "This is what Hamas
    wants."

    ¶5. (C) A/S Welch asked Tantawi if he had been in
    communication with the Israelis on this issue.  We talk all
    the time, Tantawi said, "but they do not always respond."
    What we need, he continued, is not a military solution, since
    we do not face an army on the other side of the border, but
    civilians.  Instead, the three of us -- the U.S., Israel, and
    Egypt -- need to sit together and find a political solution.
    If terrorists are able to exploit this situation, Tantawi
    said, all of us will be losers.

    ¶6. (C) A/S Welch responded that there would be four losers --
    including the Palestinians.  Tantawi agreed.  The Egyptians
    have tried to get the PA and Hamas to work together to
    address the Gaza border issue, but they have very deep
    divisions.  We are forced to deal with Hamas on the tactical
    level, Tantawi said -- they are the ones on the other side of
    the border.  A/S Welch stressed that the United States
    believes in dealing only with the PA; we do not believe in
    dealing with Hamas.  It is very important that Hamas not be
    seen as the authority.  All the political credit for solving
    this crisis must go to Egypt, Israel, the U.S. and the PA --
    not Hamas.

    ¶7. (C) A/S Welch stressed that it was important for Egypt,
    Israel, and the PA to come out of the border crisis stronger,
    and in a better position politically.  For example, Egypt's
    image in the U.S. before the border crisis had been one of
    not doing enough to stop the tunneling and smuggling under
    the border into Gaza.  To change that image, Egypt should
    strengthen the border wall and tighten up its border
    controls.  Tantawi noted that the U.S. also had border
    problems; "Can you control your border with Mexico one
    hundred percent?"  It is important to understand that
    smuggling is dangerous for Egypt, too, Tantawi said.  The
    real reason for Egypt's poor image in the U.S., Tantawi
    continued, is that some people -- "you know who" -- spread
    false stories that distort the true image of Egypt.  The fact
    is that we are doing our best.  But we need help.  We have
    asked many times to increase our border guard forces.  Now we
    only have 750 men to guard a border that is 14 kilometers
    with Gaza, 20 kilometers on the coast, and 20 kilometers
    deep.  But the Israelis will not allow us to increase our
    border guard forces, and then they blame us for smuggling and
    tunneling.

    ¶8. (C) Nonetheless, Israel respects you, A/S Welch stressed.
    "And we respect Israel," Tantawi said.  If we did not respect
    each other, it would be a disaster.  Dialogue with Israel is
    the key to resolving these issues, A/S Welch offered.  You
    both have a common interest in maintaining security in the
    region, an interest the U.S. shares.  We all have a chance
    now to change the situation for the better; we need
    higher-level political dialogue now.  A/S Welch said he
    thought the Israelis would be willing to participate in a
    four-way meeting, and offered to propose it to them.  He
    added that if Israeli DefMin Barak visits Egypt or sends
    someone such as Amos Gilad, he should talk to Tantawi and
    Director of Military Intelligence MG Mowafi.  Tantawi agreed.
     Ambassador Ricciardone clarified that Egypt would not object
    to the PA attending such a meeting.  That is a political
    decision, Tantawi said, and you should discuss with EGIS
    Chief Omar Soliman Foreign Minister Aboul Gheit first.  A/S
    Welch said he would do so, underscoring that it was important
    for everyone that Hamas not be handed a victory.

    ¶9. (U) A/S Welch did not have the opportunity to clear this
    cable.
    RICCIARDONE

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