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### Viewing cable 05OTTAWA2344, CANADA GIVES POSITIVE SOUNDINGS ON GREAT LAKES

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05OTTAWA2344 | 2005-08-03 20:54 | 2011-04-28 00:00 | UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY | Embassy Ottawa

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    This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available.

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    UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 OTTAWA 002344

    SIPDIS

    SENSITIVE

    DEPT FOR INL, WHA/CAN

    E.O. 12958: N/A
    TAGS: KCRM PREL EWWT PBTS CA MOPS
    SUBJECT: CANADA GIVES POSITIVE SOUNDINGS ON GREAT LAKES
    SHIPRIDER

    ¶1. (SBU) Summary:  After meeting with a U.S. Shiprider team
    on July 28 and offering positive soundings on a way to move
    forward on the two-week proof of concept phase of the
    program, GOC lawyers and operators met August 2 and agreed to
    continue joint planning for a possible program in
    September-October.  The GOC still needs a firm decision at
    the ADM level, which is expected in the next two weeks, but
    meanwhile, GOC lawyers are reviewing our draft dipnote and
    RCMP operators are making preparations for the required
    training.  If all goes well we could see boats in the water
    in late September or early October.  This is an excellent
    example of U.S. interagency cooperation and if successful,
    could break ground for enhanced cooperation with Canada in
    other areas.  End Summary.

    ¶2. (SBU) On July 28, 2005, DHS operators and attorneys met in
    Ottawa with Canadian counterparts for consultations on the
    Great Lakes Shiprider proof of concept.  The shiprider
    concept would allow for the provisional formation of joint
    units of American Coast Guard and RCMP officers on each
    country's vessels to provide for enhanced law enforcement
    capabilities in the difficult to delineate Great Lakes border
    area and other boundary waters.  GOC officials have been
    interested in the program for several years, but have not
    been able to get beyond the political fear over sovereignty
    or a prospective incident involving a high profile arrest or
    shooting of a Canadian citizen by an American officer.
    Deputy Prime Minister McLellan and Justice Minister Cotler
    have expressed support for the program and directed their
    staffs to move it forward.

    ¶3. (SBU) The legal meeting was led on the U.S. side by LCDR
    Brad Kieserman (USCG Office of Maritime and International
    Law) and included Ayman Rizkalla (ICE Principal Legal
    Advisor's Office) and Embassy Poloff.  Lawyers on the
    Canadian side represented Justice, Customs, DFAIT, PSEP-C,
    Trade, Immigration, Firearms Center, Fisheries and Oceans,
    and Foreign Affairs.  Lead Canadian negotiator Michael
    Zigayer (Senior Counsel, Department of Justice) said that the
    shiprider issue was a high priority for Canada after the
    recent Halifax meeting and this meeting was intended to
    explore what mechanisms exist in Canadian law to give U.S.
    officers status in Canada as peace officers.  The two sides
    then walked through a series of issues to be resolved, in all
    cases focusing only on requirements for the 2-week pilot
    project:

    --    Designation of Officers:  The U.S. officers would
    receive a special title -- e.g. Supernumerary Special
    Constable -- which would confer authority as peace officers.
    They would have the same enforcement authority as the RCMP,
    with the same protections and exemptions.  Also, they would
    have the same prohibitions in terms of weapons -- no pepper
    spray, large magazines for weapons, automatic weapons, etc.
    The Canadian side thought this was a manageable issue.

    --    Reporting Requirements:  There will be a need for the
    U.S. officers to check in with Canadian Customs every time
    they begin a shift and to check out when they finish.  The
    team thought there could be a 24-hour call center to manage
    this.

    --    Citizenship:  The issue of work permits was raised.  It
    could be handled by either giving the U.S. officers work
    permits, based on the fact that they would not be taking jobs
    away from Canadians, or simply ignoring the issue because
    their duties do not constitute "work" in a traditional
    framework.  They will recommend the latter.

    --    Communication and Info-Sharing:  The Arar inquiry is
    the context.  The Arar final report and recommendations will
    not be out by the time we put boats in the water this year so
    the current climate is what is important, although it could
    change before we arrive at a permanent program.  Within the
    current climate there were not any show-stoppers, just a good
    deal of reticence on information sharing in general.

    --    Import-Export Laws:  This was the only area where there
    was not a clear way forward.  The issue is that to bring
    firearms into the country requires a permit and there are
    "nasty penalties" for not complying.  The Canadian side
    suggested three options: 1) presume no export or import,
    essentially ignoring the law as being ambiguous in the case
    of law enforcement officers, 2) issue permits, 3) assume risk
    that no one notices.  The sense we got was that they would
    recommend some variant of option one.  One key concern was
    that it could affect the prosecution of a case if a boat was
    intercepted on the waters and the defense argued that there
    was something amiss in how it was taken down (e.g. U.S.
    officials carrying arms illegally).  The bottom line was that
    even if certain cases were lost in court, the goods would be
    off the street (or off the water), and public fallout would
    be minimal.  There may be a need for legislation in the
    future but not in time for the trial concept.

    --    Criminal and Civil Liability:  Since cross-designation
    gives U.S. officers the same status as their Canadian
    counterparts this was not deemed to be a problem.

    ¶4. (SBU) The U.S. side then discussed how we have worked
    around all similar issues on our side, to include training
    and certification, marking of vessels, weapons of RCMP
    officers on board US vessels, information sharing, reporting,
    and arrest authority (to include what happens when we pick up
    migrants).

    ¶5. (SBU) In a parallel meeting between operators of the US
    Coast Guard and RCMP, the following issues were discussed:

    --    The two sides reviewed training options, which would
    start with basic boat familiarization and survival training
    on August 15 regardless of whether the concept has been
    approved.  After approval there will be a requirement for an
    additional 30 days of training.  Hull Island for boat
    training and Detroit Winsor for classroom training were
    agreed as the best venues.
    --    There will be 4 boats maximum (2 U.S. and 2 Canadian)
    involved in the program.
    --    The crews will be 4 American and 1 Canadian on the U.S.
    boats, and 2 RCMP and 1 American on the Canadian vessels.
    Both will use a blue light for identification.
    --    There was some reticence on the part of some of the
    Canadian officials with regards to a media layout.  Some
    thought it could be a positive tie-in with the SPP, others
    thought it would be best to keep it quiet given the political
    sensitivities.

    ¶6. (SBU) Timing/Decision:  The Canadian team said it would
    continue its internal discussions on August 2, and if
    approved in a directors level interagency meeting, would move
    the concept to the ADM level for approval.  The August 2
    meeting was held as planned and the recommendation was made
    to move the concept forward, which DFAIT lawyers say should
    take place in the next two weeks.  Planners have been in
    contact with regards to training, and lawyers have begun to
    compare notes on the draft dipnote language.  There will also
    be an MOU that DHS/ICE will need from the RCMP laying out the
    details for RCMP officers on US vessels, and the Canadians
    will also have a similar MOU for us.  If all goes as planned,
    the first boats could be in the water in late September.

    ¶7. (SBU) Comment:  This process has been a tremendous example
    of U.S. inter-agency cooperation that could well translate
    into future successes.  We also hope that a shiprider
    protocol may serve as a stepping-stone to more routine U.S.
    and Canadian law enforcement joint operations along our
    contiguous land and sea frontier.  For instance, we would
    welcome the expansion of the already successful IBET program
    to include joint (vs. the current parallel) patrols, and the
    addition of overflight and landing provisions for IBET air
    components.

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    WILKINS

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