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### Viewing cable 06BOGOTA10294, U/S BURNS' OCTOBER 25 MEETING WITH COLOMBIAN

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06BOGOTA10294 | 2006-11-06 17:05 | 2011-02-20 12:12 | CONFIDENTIAL | Embassy Bogota

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    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 BOGOTA 010294

    SIPDIS

    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/26/2016
    TAGS: OVIP PREL PGOV PHUM PTER KJUS CO
    SUBJECT: U/S BURNS' OCTOBER 25 MEETING WITH COLOMBIAN
    MINISTER OF INTERIOR AND JUSTICE HOLGUIN

    Classified By: Ambassador William B. Wood - Reasons 1.5 (b,d)

    ¶1. (U)  October 25, 2006; 1100AM.

    ¶2. (U)  Participants in Holguin Meeting

    U.S.

    Under Secretary Burns
    Assistant Secretary for WHA Thomas P. Shannon
    Ambassador William B. Wood
    Deputy Assistant Attorney General Mary Lee Warren
    NSC - Dan Tomlinson
    Attorney Advisor Patricia Pugh, L
    Political Counselor John Creamer
    P Special Assistant Heide Bronke
    Political Officer David M. Zimov (notetaker)

    COLOMBIA

    Interior and Justice Minister Carlos Holguin Sardi
    Foreign Minister Maria Consuelo Araujo
    Ambassador Carolina Barco
    DCM Jaime Ruiz
    Deputy Foreign Minister Camilo Reyes
    U.S. and Canada Desk Chief Patricia Cortes

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    Summary
    =======

    ¶3. (C)  Interior and Justice Minister Holguin told U/S Burns
    the Justice and Peace law and demobilization process
    were difficult to understand, even for Colombians.  He
    committed Colombia to effective implementation of the law
    and to ensuring that the justice component of the law was
    fully implemented.  Colombia, he said, was a pioneer in
    trying to bring to justice an armed group that had not been
    defeated on the battlefield.  U/S Burns recognized the
    historic nature of the Justice and Peace process, and told
    Holguin that the USG supported the process.  The U/S
    explained that timely, transparent effective J&P
    implementation would be critical in maintaining Congressional
    support for our Colombia policy.  The U.S. delegation offered
    continued help to strengthen Colombia's judicial and
    prosecutorial units in the J&P process.

    ==================================
    Holguin: Justice and Peace Process
    ==================================

    ¶4.  (C)  Interior and Justice Minister Holguin thanked U/S
    Burns for his delegation's visit and briefed them on three
    important issues:  the paramilitary demobilization process,
    the Justice and Peace (J&P) law, and human
    rights--specifically the protection of at-risk human rights
    and other activists.  Holguin gave a detailed powerpoint
    presentation on demobilization and the J&P law, noting that
    42,000 terrorists have demobilized (including 31,600
    demobilized paramilitaries and 10,000 FARC and ELN
    deserters.)  The minister described the demographics of
    demobilized individuals:  overwhelmingly male, young, and
    poorly educated.  He then described the system and state
    resources in place to reintegrate minors in the
    demobilization process, which includes monthly subsides,
    psyco-social treatment, and training and job placement.

    ¶5. (C)  Holguin said that of 41,000 demobilized individuals,
    5,234 had committed "grave crimes" and would
    be subject to the specific measures of the J&P law.  The
    demobilization and reinsertion processes were so complex,
    he added, that they had required unique legislation which had
    then been reviewed and revised by the Colombian
    Constitutional Court.  In addition, President Alvaro Uribe
    created a special commission led by High Commissioner
    for Reintegration Frank Pearl to manage the reintegration of
    demobilized AUC members. (See septel for details on
    Burns-Pearl meeting.)

    =============================
    J&P Decree and Implementation
    =============================

    ¶6. (C)  Holguin emphasized that the J&P implementing decree
    issued by the Uribe Administration's decree met
    international standards, and closely tracked the
    Constitutional Court on "controversial" issues, such as the
    need for complete confessions, and reparation to victims.
    Foreign Minister Araujo added that the GoC had called
    together the diplomatic corps to brief them on the
    implementing decree. She said UN High Commissioner for
    Human Rights Representative in Colombia Juan Pablo Corlazzoli

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    had studied the decree and determined that it
    was consistent with the Constitutional Court's ruling on the
    J&P law.  This, she said, added "credibility" to the
    process.

    ¶7. (C)  Holguin told Burns that the J&P process was
    "difficult to understand, even for Colombians."  But he
    said the J&P process represented the first time in history
    that a country was able to bring an armed group to justice
    without defeating it.  The historic norm, he said, was either
    total amnesty or war crimes charges for the
    vanquished.  Colombia, he concluded, was conducting a grand
    experiment that could serve as an example to others. The GoC
    was committed to achieving both justice and peace.

    ====================================
    Protection to Human Rights Officials
    ====================================
    ¶8. (C)  Holguin told the delegation that his ministry had
    provided protection to more than 5,000 individuals under
    threat, including 1,200 union members and more than 1,300
    local government officials, journalists, and human rights
    defenders.  He added that, despite continuing problems, the
    threat against these at-risk groups had been reduced, as had
    the number of attacks against these individuals.

    =============================
    U.S. Support Requires Justice
    =============================
    ¶9. (C)  Under Secretary Burns thanked Holguin for the meeting
    and for his presentation.  He said the USG
    recognized both the historic nature of the J&P law and its
    complexity.  He said the USG supports the J&P law, but
    stressed the need for effective, transparent implementation.
    U/S Burns mentioned a Human Rights Watch complaint that
    ex-paramilitary leaders were living in comfort and receiving
    lenient treatment given their terrible crimes.  Burns told
    Holguin that recent war crimes tribunals to judge cases in
    Rwanda, Bosnia, and Kosovo made it easy for critics to say
    Colombia was not making a full effort towards justice.  The
    key to continued U.S. support, Burns said, would be
    Colombia's effective implementation of the J&P process,
    including ensuring that justice was done.

    ¶10. (C)  Deputy Assistant Attorney General Mary Lee Warren
    reiterated that implementation would be crucial.  She
    offered continued U.S. assistance to Colombian magistrates
    and prosecutors working on J&P implementation.  Warren said
    the GoC would need to continuously ask itself what more could
    be done to achieve justice.  She concluded that many
    individuals in the J&P process had been, or would eventually
    be, charged with crimes in the United States.
    DRUCKER

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