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### Viewing cable 08STATE100219, Secretary Rice's 09/16/2008 Meeting with

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08STATE100219 | 2008-09-19 03:03 | 2010-12-17 12:12 | CONFIDENTIAL | Secretary of State

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    C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 STATE 100219

    SIPDIS

    E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/17/2018
    TAGS: OVIP RICE CONDOLEEZZA PREL PHSA SP KV CU
    BL, IS
    SUBJECT: Secretary Rice's 09/16/2008 Meeting with
    Spanish Ambassador Dezcallar

    ¶1. (U) Classified by EUR A/S Daniel Fried. Reason
    1.4(b) and (d).

    ¶2. (U) September 16, 2008; 11 a.m.; Secretary's Office.

    ¶3. (U) Participants:

    U.S.
    The Secretary
    EUR A/DAS Nerissa Cook
    EUR/WE Stacie Zerdecki (Notetaker)

    Spain
    Ambassador Jorge Dezcallar
    DCM Jose Pascual Marco

    ¶4. (C) SUMMARY. Recently arrived Spanish Ambassador
    Jorge Dezcallar made a courtesy call on Secretary Rice
    to discuss the bilateral relationship. Dezcallar opened
    by saying he was asked to personally deliver a message
    from the King of Spain of his desire to improve
    relations. They discussed their shared concern over
    recent developments in Bolivia and Venezuela, the need
    for real change in Cuba under Raul Castro, Moratinos'
    positive role in the Middle East, and differences over
    Kosovo. Dezcallar closed by requesting the Secretary's
    support for Spain's 2010 candidacy in the Human Rights
    Council. The Secretary wished Spain luck and commented
    on Spain's strong human rights record, but admitted that
    the U.S. is not active in the Council and doesn't view
    it as a functioning organization. END SUMMARY.

    ----------------------
    Bilateral Relationship
    ----------------------

    ¶5. (SBU) Ambassador Dezcallar expressed his intention
    "to work very hard to improve relations during his
    tenure" as ambassador to the United States. He relayed
    to the Secretary that he had spoken to both the King of
    Spain and Foreign Minister Moratinos in the past two
    days and both expressed their wish to strengthen the
    bilateral relationship. Both the Secretary and
    Dezcallar agreed that relations are good between the two
    countries, but there is room for improvement.

    ----------------------
    Bolivia and Venezuela
    ----------------------

    ¶6. (C) Almost immediately, the conversation turned to
    recent events in Venezuela and Bolivia. Dezcallar and
    the Secretary agreed that while both situations are
    domestic problems, they are developing into crises of
    international concern. The Secretary noted that while
    she sympathizes with the Bolivian people, the Bolivian
    regime is making it very difficult for the United States
    to help them. Dezcallar agreed that the Bolivian people
    are suffering, and that resolution is "through
    consultation, not violence." Both agreed that Bolivian
    President Morales is "out of his league" in his attempts
    to govern the country.

    ¶7. (C) On Venezuela, Ambassador Dezcallar recounted how
    he was forced to wait three hours for a meeting with
    Chavez several years ago, then heard mindless chatter
    from Chavez for a few hours before being allowed to make
    his official request for Venezuela to turn over 6 ETA
    members wanted for killing 36 Spaniards. When Dezcallar
    was finally able to make his appeal, Chavez readily
    agreed. Only when Dezcallar got out of the meeting did
    he learn that Chavez stalled for enough time to let the
    ETA members escape from detention. The Secretary
    responded that the United States has found that ignoring
    Chavez is the best policy, and the lack of attention
    frustrates him more than admonition.

    -----
    Cuba
    -----

    STATE 00100219 002 OF 002

    ¶8. (C) The Secretary stated she remains unconvinced of
    the sincerity of minor post-Fidel changes in Cuba. She
    emphasized the need to make real change, as opposed to
    cosmetic ones. For example, Cubans should have access
    to cell phones and the Internet. The Ambassador
    countered that GoS doesn't think that changes in Cuba
    since Raul's ascent to power have been cosmetic. He
    denied that Raul is another Fidel, but warned against
    being too heavy-handed and "scaring him off, or he will
    be even more difficult."

    ¶9. (U) Dezcallar commented that Cuba is going through
    hard times this hurricane season, and the Secretary
    confirmed that the United States has already offered
    humanitarian aid.

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    Kosovo
    ------

    ¶10. (C) Turning to Europe, the Secretary asked if there
    was any chance Spain would recognize Kosovo. Dezcallar
    demurred "not any time soon." The Secretary replied
    that she hoped Spain would not recognize the breakaway
    Georgian provinces of South Ossetia or Abkhazia, and
    Dezcallar assured her they would not.

    -----------------
    Middle East Peace
    -----------------

    ¶11. (C) The Secretary and Ambassador Dezcallar briefly
    discussed the Israeli/Palestinian peace process and
    Foreign Minister Moratinos' whirlwind trip through the
    region September 12-17. Secretary Rice said that
    Moratinos has been helpful in the Middle East, and made
    reference to her trilateral meeting with Israeli Foreign
    Minister Livni and the head of the Palestinian
    negotiating team, Abu Alaa, on August 26, 2008. The
    Secretary and Dezcallar agreed that the situation was
    not all bad and noted that Palestinian forces are taking
    on more responsibility.

    ---------------------
    Human Rights Council
    ---------------------

    ¶12. (C) Mirroring FM Moratinos' request to the
    Secretary during their May 19 meeting, Ambassador
    Dezcallar again asked for the United States' support of
    Spanish candidacy to the Human Rights Council in the
    next election (2010). Similar to her response then, the
    Secretary said the U.S. may not vote at all, as she
    considers the council a "disaster." However, she noted
    that the council needed countries with good human rights
    records, like Spain, to hold seats.
    RICE

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