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Viewing cable 08HANOI152, DEEPENING COOPERATION ON LEGAL REFORM: THE AMBASSADOR MEETS

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Reference ID Created Released Classification Origin
08HANOI152 2008-02-12 09:55 2011-08-25 00:00 UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Embassy Hanoi
VZCZCXRO5719
RR RUEHCHI RUEHCN RUEHDT RUEHHM
DE RUEHHI #0152/01 0430955
ZNR UUUUU ZZH
R 120955Z FEB 08
FM AMEMBASSY HANOI
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC 7150
INFO RUEHHM/AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH 4274
RUEHZS/ASEAN REGIONAL FORUM COLLECTIVE
UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 HANOI 000152 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SENSITIVE 
SIPDIS 
 
E.O. 12958: N/A 
TAGS: PHUM ECON PGOV KCOR KPAO SOCI PREL VM
 
SUBJECT: DEEPENING COOPERATION ON LEGAL REFORM: THE AMBASSADOR MEETS 
A KEY VIETNAMESE DRIVER OF CHANGE 
 
HANOI 00000152  001.2 OF 002 
 
 
1. (SBU) Summary: Vietnamese National Assembly (NA) Judicial Affairs 
Committee Chairwoman Le Thi Thu Ba discussed with the Ambassador how 
the USG and GVN can deepen cooperation on judicial and legal reform 
in Vietnam.  Laws on enforcement of civil and criminal court 
judgments must be revised so that defendants have more rights, Thu 
Ba declared, but she also appealed for greater understanding on 
Washington's part for the premium the GVN places on stability and 
economic development.  In a January 18 meeting, Thu Ba explained 
that the GVN devised the Law on Criminal Procedure years ago and 
needs to revise it with technical assistance.  However, she 
suggested that the USG wait until the GVN has completed its internal 
review of how this law must be reformed before proceeding with 
detailed program proposals.  Thu Ba said that Vietnamese legal 
professionals and legislators also need to learn more about U.S. 
laws.  The Ambassador stressed the importance of the two governments 
finding ways to work together that do not raise red flags within the 
GVN.  End Summary. 
 
2.(SBU) On January 18, the Ambassador discussed USG-GVN cooperation 
in enhancing rule of law and good governance in Vietnam with 
National Assembly (NA) Judicial Affairs Committee Chairwoman Le Thi 
Thu Ba.  Since Vietnam is still a developing country, it has "a lot 
of wishes" in the rule of law area, Thu Ba stated.  Hanoi needs to 
bring its laws into compliance with international norms, for 
example, and her Judicial Affairs Committee has been working on 
several judicial reform ideas, she explained.  For example, the Law 
on Criminal Procedure was developed years ago, but needs to be 
revised with technical assistance.  Vietnam also needs to learn more 
about U.S. laws, Thu Ba added. 
 
3. (SBU) The Ambassador responded that the GVN does not seem keen to 
reform certain parts of its criminal code, such as Article 88 (which 
allows for detention of defendants without formal charges).  He said 
USG officials should hear from people like Thu Ba on how the USG and 
GVN can work together to promote judicial reform in ways that do not 
raise red flags within the GVN.  Thu Ba said that while help with 
reform of the criminal procedure code would be welcome, the GVN is 
in the midst of evaluating the code's effectiveness.  It therefore 
would be "a bit hasty" to propose specific programs in this area, 
she explained. 
 
4. (SBU) Vietnam must also reform laws on enforcement of civil and 
criminal court judgments so that defendants have more rights, Thu Ba 
stated.  In Vietnam, the Law on Civil Judgments provides only for 
fines and obligations for wrong-doing, she said.  In revising this 
law, Vietnamese prisons may come under the jurisdiction of the 
Ministry of Justice. (Note: Administration of the prisons currently 
is under the Ministry of Public Security's purview.  End Note.) 
 
5. (SBU) "We want a society that is truly democratic and free," Thu 
Ba continued.  Vietnam is a country of "low level development" and 
is in a "transitional period," she added.  She emphasized that the 
GVN's first priority is stability, but that its ultimate goal is 
building "a true democracy."  The Ambassador noted that Vietnam has 
undertaken many economic reforms in the last decade and is bound to 
undertake even more reforms in the years ahead.  The USG stands 
ready to help the GVN develop its rule of law, he said. 
 
6. (SBU) Thu Ba explained the newly created National Steering 
Committee on Judicial Reform's (SCJR) role in promoting legal reform 
in Vietnam.  The SCJR is only a provisional body that gives 
instructions to relevant GVN bodies, she said.  She herself is a 
SCJR member and provides input to the body, which comes up with 
recommendations by consensus. 
 
7. (SBU) Thu Ba said that the SCJR as well as her committee always 
seek out lawyers' input in devising legal reforms.  As for the 
committee that will oversee a new national bar association, Thu Ba 
was unsure exactly what had held up the committee's establishment. 
She suggested there were differing opinions as to who should head 
the committee as one possible explanation for the delay.  (Note: On 
January 19, Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung approved a plan to 
establish a national lawyers' organization as well as the committee 
that will oversee this organization.  Vietnam's national bar 
association is scheduled to commence operations by July, 2008 and a 
DRL-funded program by the American Bar Association will, among other 
things, help develop the national bar association's code of ethics. 
End Note.) 
 
8. (SBU) Thu Ba thanked the Ambassador for his attention to her 
committee's work and hoped that over time, as work together on rule 
of law deepens, the American and Vietnamese people will have a 
greater understanding of each other.  She appealed for greater 
understanding from Washington for the premium the GVN places on 
stability.  "We have a mutual interest in stability," she asserted. 
Instability would affect not only Vietnam but neighboring countries 
as well, she concluded. 
 
9. (SBU) Comment: Thu Ba's statements about the priority of 
 
HANOI 00000152  002.2 OF 002 
 
 
protecting Vietnam's stability when considering various reform 
measures is consistent with what we hear from other GVN leaders. 
Given her key position as Chair of the Judicial Affairs Committee, 
her openness to working with the USG on legal reform is significant, 
and she can be a key interlocutor in identifying areas of 
cooperation that are acceptable to the GVN. 
 
MICHALAK