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Viewing cable 07HANOI1664, CIVAIR VIETNAM WILL GET BACK TO US ON OPEN SKIES DEMARCHE

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Reference ID Created Released Classification Origin
07HANOI1664 2007-09-18 17:30 2011-08-25 00:00 UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Embassy Hanoi
VZCZCXRO0272
PP RUEHHM
DE RUEHHI #1664 2611730
ZNR UUUUU ZZH
P 181730Z SEP 07
FM AMEMBASSY HANOI
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 6367
INFO RUEHHM/AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH 3707
RUEHGP/AMEMBASSY SINGAPORE 2438
RUEHBK/AMEMBASSY BANGKOK 5968
UNCLAS HANOI 001664 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SENSITIVE 
SIPDIS 
 
DEPT FOR EEB/TRA/AN AND EAP/MLS 
SINGAPORE FOR FAA MARY WALSH AND MIKE DANIEL 
BANGKOK FOR TSA SHARON WALLOOPPILLAI 
 
E.O. 12958: N/A 
TAGS: EAIR KTIA VM
SUBJECT: CIVAIR VIETNAM WILL GET BACK TO US ON OPEN SKIES DEMARCHE 
 
REF: STATE 123649 
 
1. (U) On September 17 we met with Vo Huy Cuong, Director of Civil 
Aviation Administration of Vietnam (CAAV)'s Air Transport Department 
to gauge the government of Vietnam's (GVN) interest in negotiating 
an Open Skies Treaty with the United States, per reftel 
instructions.  We underscored in our demarche the accompanying 
memorandum to the December 2003 Air Transport Agreement negotiated 
between the two countries, in which the delegations noted "their 
governments' expectations to meet within four years to consider 
further expansion of commercial aviation opportunities for the 
airlines of each side."  Vu Hong Quang, Air Transport Department and 
To Tu Hung, Manager of CAAV's International Affairs Division, also 
attended the meeting. 
 
2. (SBU) Cuong, a member of Vietnam's delegation during the June 
18-20, 2003 U.S.-Vietnam Aviation Negotiations, responded that the 
2003 U.S.-Vietnam Air Transport Agreement already stands as the 
"most liberal" bilateral aviation agreement ever negotiated by the 
GVN, and personally called an Open Skies Agreement "unavoidable." 
He deferred judgment on the way forward, however, to the CAAV's 
management board currently in Montreal for the September 18-28 
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Session.  He 
promised to contact Post following the Board's return at the end of 
the month to explore "where and when to negotiate what we promised 
to do four years ago." 
 
3. (SBU) In a separate but related note, on August 6, Vietnam 
Airlines filed with the U.S. Department of Transportation for a 
two-year exemption and a foreign air carrier permit to fly to the 
United States. The filing states, "On or about October 28, 2008, 
Vietnam Airlines intends to introduce Ho Chi Minh City-Osaka-Los 
Angeles combination flights."  This will now trigger a Federal 
Aviation Administration (FAA) International Aviation Safety 
Assessment (IASA), which some of our contacts say Vietnam is 
unlikely to pass.  Post will report further developments and 
contacts as they occur. 
 
4. (SBU) Action request for EEB/TRA/AN:  Please pass this cable to 
DAS John Byerly, currently in Montreal for the ICAO Session.  He may 
want to consider meeting informally with the GVN delegation to 
discuss further the possibility of an Open Skies Agreement. 
 
MICHALAK