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Viewing cable 06HOCHIMINHCITY1391, HONG KONG CARDINAL VISITS HCMC

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Reference ID Created Released Classification Origin
06HOCHIMINHCITY1391 2006-12-13 11:11 2011-08-25 00:00 UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Consulate Ho Chi Minh City
VZCZCXRO3767
RR RUEHDT RUEHPB
DE RUEHHM #1391 3471111
ZNR UUUUU ZZH
R 131111Z DEC 06
FM AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC 1869
INFO RUEHHI/AMEMBASSY HANOI 1311
RUEHHK/AMCONSUL HONG KONG 0115
RUCNARF/ASEAN REGIONAL FORUM COLLECTIVE
RHEHNSC/WHITE HOUSE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL WASHINGTON DC
RUEHROV/AMEMBASSY VATICAN 0002
RUEHFR/AMEMBASSY PARIS 0025
RUEHHM/AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY 1966
UNCLAS HO CHI MINH CITY 001391 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SENSITIVE 
SIPDIS 
 
E.O. 12958: N/A 
TAGS: PHUM SOCI PREL PGOV KIRF PREF VM CH HK
SUBJECT: HONG KONG CARDINAL VISITS HCMC 
 
 
1. (SBU) On December 13, PolOff met with the Vicar General 
of the HCMC Archdiocese to discuss the December 3 visit of 
the Bishop of Hong Kong, Cardinal Joseph Zen Ze Kiun, to Ho 
Chi Minh City.  This was the first visit of Cardinal Zen to 
Vietnam since his investiture in February 2006 and only his 
second post-1975.  (According to the Vicar General, the 
Cardinal had visited northern Vietnam in 2002 to attend the 
ordination of a colleague.)  Cardinal Zen was a member of a 
delegation that included Cardinal Telesphore Placidus 
Toppo, Chairman of the Indian Bishops' Council, and 
Cardinal Gaudencio Rosales, Archbishop of Manila.  The 
cardinals were invited by HCMC Cardinal Pham Minh Man to 
celebrate the 500th birthday of Saint Francisco Xavier, one 
of the founders of the Jesuit order and perhaps the first 
Catholic missionary in East Asia. 
 
2. (SBU) According to the Vicar General, the cardinals' 
visit was a long-standing objective of HCMC Cardinal Man, 
who wished to improve ties and coordination among the 
Church's Asian dioceses.  Earlier efforts to organize such 
a visit were rebuffed by the Communist Party, the Vicar 
General said.  However, earlier this year the HCMC?s 
Cardinal Man raised the idea again with officials from the 
Central Committee for Religious Affairs, who sanctioned the 
initiative.  Former HCMC Party Chief Nguyen Minh Triet also 
blessed the proposal shortly before he assumed Vietnam's 
Presidency. 
 
3. (SBU) HCMC Party Secretary and Politburo member Le Thanh 
Hai officially received the visiting Cardinals at HCMC 
Party headquarters on December 3.  According to the Vicar 
General, Cardinal Zen described for Secretary Hai the 
difficulties the Catholic Church faces in China and 
expressed his hope that the Chinese would adopt the 
Vietnamese model of Church-State cooperation.  Hai did not 
respond directly, but visibly broadened his smile when 
Cardinal Zen said that religious freedom conditions are 
better in Vietnam than China.  Secretary Hai praised the 
role of the Catholic Church in working with the government 
to combat HIV/AIDS in HCMC.  The meeting was covered by all 
major HCMC newspapers. 
 
Improving Vatican-GVN relations 
------------------------------- 
 
4. (SBU) The Vicar General said that, concurrent with the 
visit of the three Asian cardinals, a high-level Catholic 
Church delegation from France was touring Vietnam.  These 
visits are part of the process of normalization of ties 
between the Vatican and the GVN, he said.  The Vatican is 
ready to fully normalize ties now, he said, but is waiting 
for the GVN to make the next official move. 
 
5.  (SBU) Although the GVN still insists that it approve 
the selection of bishops and other key personnel, in 
reality, that process has become more streamlined and more 
cooperative.  In the past, the GVN required that the 
Vatican submit a list of three alternatives for any one 
position to be filled; the GVN would then select among the 
three.  Moreover, the selection process could drag on 
interminably.  More recently, however, the Vatican has been 
able to submit only one name.  The ongoing process to find 
a replacement for the recently-deceased Bishop of the 
northern Bac Ninh diocese is a case in point, the Vicar 
General said.  In September, Bishop Joseph Nguyen Quang 
Tuyen died while undergoing cancer treatment in Portland, 
Oregon.  The Vatican has been able to work quickly and 
effectively through the Vietnamese Ambassador to Italy to 
identify a replacement.  Additionally, the Catholic Church 
now finds it easier to send seminarians overseas to study, 
including to the United States.  It is distinctly possible 
that in the near future one of the next Vietnamese bishops 
will be U.S.-trained, an unimaginable outcome only a few 
years ago. 
 
6. (SBU) Comment:  Secretary Hai is a careful and effective 
politician.  Religion is a "sensitive" issue, as is the 
topic of relations with China.  He and the Party would have 
deliberated on whether and how to receive the outspoken 
Cardinal Zen.  Therefore, it is not a surprise that the 
HCMC Archdiocese would view the cardinals' official welcome 
at Party headquarters as a positive signal about the 
prospects for full normalization of relations between the 
GVN and the Vatican.  End Comment. 
 
WINNICK