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Viewing cable 06HANOI1877, AMBASSADOR VISITS CATHOLICS IN THAI NGUYEN AND LANG SON
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SUBJECT: AMBASSADOR VISITS CATHOLICS IN THAI NGUYEN AND LANG SON
REF: A) HANOI 1113; B) HANOI 715
HANOI 00001877 001.2 OF 003
¶1. (SBU) Summary: On a July 5-7 provincial outreach trip, the
Ambassador discussed issues related to the Catholic Church with the
leaders of Thai Nguyen, Bac Giang and Lang Son provinces (Protestant
issues, especially in Bac Giang and Lang Son, reported septel). In
Thai Nguyen, the Ambassador also visited a Catholic parish that
successfully ministers to 28,000 parishioners in spite of lingering
difficulties in their effort to recover some former properties. In
Lang Son, the Ambassador visited the province's impressive new
Cathedral for its 6,000 Catholics, a strong indication of the level
of cooperation between provincial officials and the church. Both
Thai Nguyen and Lang Son Catholic officials noted that the church
has not yet been allowed to undertake much charitable or educational
work in their respective parishes. We can expect that Lang Son will
continue to facilitate expansion of the church in their
jurisdiction. Thai Nguyen Parish is worse off, but the church is
also growing in this province, and relations with local officials
remain amicable, if less productive. Both provinces demonstrate
that Catholics in most of the north are able to worship freely, or
at least with minimal constraints. Lang Son, in particular, is a
model that we will raise with less enlightened provinces which do
not permit the Church to more easily minister to Catholics. End
Summary.
THAI NGUYEN PARISH CHURCH
-------------------------
¶2. (SBU) On July 5, the Ambassador visited Father Joseph Nguyen Van
Khiem, priest-in-charge of Thai Nguyen Parish. A large proportion
of the parish church's congregation turned out to welcome the
Ambassador with flowers and songs. The church itself is relatively
small compared to the newer three-story administrative facility
built behind the edifice. Khiem explained that he is responsible
for over 28,000 Catholics in his portion of Bac Ninh Diocese, and
administers a total of fifty sub-parishes. All of the parish's
churches, chapels and administrative buildings were built in the
last twenty years as almost all of the original church properties
(as well as most of the province's pagodas) were destroyed during
the anti-French resistance. Recovery of these properties has been
especially difficult because most Catholics in Thai Nguyen are
immigrants from other, mostly lowland, provinces of Vietnam and the
Church has difficulty asserting title to properties on the basis of
past congregants.
¶3. (SBU) Many of the original properties are also now "encumbered by
residents." With the Provincial People Committee's (PPC) help,
parish officials have recovered some properties, but there are still
problems to be resolved. For example, the Thai Nguyen Parish Church
(which can only hold half its parishioners at one time) has
reclaimed only a portion of the original land area of its property.
The Church was built in between two low-rise residential blocks
which effectively prevent any increase in the footprint of the
building. In 1996, 200 Catholics demonstrated in front of the
newly built church to reclaim the remaining land under the
residences, but local officials broke up the protestors and severely
beat one man in front of the church. Father Khiem admitted that he
has submitted repeated applications to recover the additional land
but the issue remains unresolved.
¶4. (SBU) Khiem said that he was assigned to Thai Nguyen in 1998 as
the first new priest for the parish in fifty years. In 2005 the
parish received two more priests to minister to several district
sub-parishes. A third priest is awaiting local official's
permission to be assigned. Three parishioners are currently
studying at the Hanoi seminary, and there are five other priests
from Thai Nguyen who serve in other parts of Vietnam, Khiem noted.
The Ambassador asked if the parish has been allowed to conduct
charitable work under the GVN's new framework on religion. Khiem
replied that in the north, few churches are allowed to undertake
charitable activity, even in the area of health care. For example,
the church can only provide spiritual assistance to people living
with HIV/AIDS. The parish has some educational programs to provide
spiritual and professional assistance to adults, and it has a modest
kindergarten program for 80 children.
THAI NGUYEN LEADERSHIP
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¶5. (SBU) At lunch following the church visit, the Ambassador
discussed religious freedom with Thai Nguyen Provincial People's
Committee (PPC) Chairman Nguyen Van Kim. The Ambassador commended
the PPC for its work to facilitate Catholic worship in the province,
but noted that some property concerns clearly remained. Kim
stressed that all religious activities in Thai Nguyen have been
facilitated according to official policy and the PPC is broadening
the space for religion. He acknowledged that the growth of the
church has led to frictions between Catholics and residents, but
asserted that the PPC will deal with these problems according to
HANOI 00001877 002.2 OF 003
regulations so that both sides will be satisfied. "We are not only
trying to return properties, but we are also allocating new land for
churches as well," Kim said. The Ambassador noted that the GVN's
new regulations also allow the church to engage in charitable works,
especially in the area of health and HIV/AIDS. "I hope that in
addition to resolving property disputes, provincial leaders will
help facilitate such activities soon," he said. Kim made no direct
reply.
LANG SON CATHEDRAL
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¶6. On July 7, the Ambassador met with Hanoi Archbishop Ngo Quang
Kiet at the city cathedral in Lang Son. Kiet is also Apostolic
Administrator and Bishop of Lang Son Diocese, and made a special
trip at his own initiative to brief the Ambassador. The Cathedral
was inaugurated in 2004 and was built with USD 600,000 donated by
the Vatican and by U.S. citizens. The structure resembles a Pagoda
and incorporates a variety of Vietnamese ethnic minority traditional
design elements including, among other things, a stilt house for
Jesus Christ at the altar and extensive stained glass depictions of
the saints dressed in traditional ethnic garb. (Note: Lang Son's
population is only 15 percent ethnic Vietnamese. End note). Kiet
explained that since 1990, Lang Son Diocese has made significant
strides. He was appointed Bishop in 1999 at which time there were
no priests for Lang Son's 6,000 Catholics (most of whom come from
lowland provinces - initially without their families). Today there
is a cathedral and Bishop's residence and six new priests have taken
up their benefices in the parish. Five parishioners are studying at
the seminary in Hanoi and ten nuns are working as church
administrators. Some old church properties remain occupied by other
Vietnamese citizens, and there are still some areas in the province
without churches to serve Catholic residents. However, Kiet is
confident that the Lang Son PPC is open to resolving these remaining
issues. "In general, religious life in Lang Son has been easy."
Kiet noted that the diocese only recently requested the return of
the derelict Na Sam Parish church, but "I think our application will
be resolved in a quick and easy manner."
¶7. (SBU) Kiet stated that he will continue as Apostolic
Administrator in Lang Son until the Vatican appoints a new bishop.
The main reason for the delay is the Vatican's difficulty in
identifying a new candidate. The Ambassador noted that with six
priests - one for each 1,000 Catholics - Lang Son is better off than
Thai Nguyen province which has three priests covering 30,000
parishioners - one for 10,000. He asked if the Church plans to
transfer priests between provinces to ease the burdens of clergy in
poorly covered parishes. Kiet said that as Thai Nguyen belongs to
another diocese there are no plans to transfer priests from Lang
Son. The Ambassador noted that neighboring Ha Giang Province
currently has no priests assigned (Ref A) and promised to raise the
issue with the PPC when he visits Ha Giang in August. Kiet
explained that although Ha Giang is technically part of Lang Son
Diocese, the Church has not been allowed to assign a priest to
minister to Ha Giang's Catholics.
¶8. (SBU) Turning to charitable works, Kiet explained that programs
in social work, healthcare and education remain goals for Lang Son
Catholics, but the diocese has not had enough clergy to engage in
such activities in the past. However, the Church recently joined
with local authorities to sponsor an International Committee of the
Red Cross program that brought two groups of French dentists working
with Dentistes Sans Frontieres to Lang Son to provide free dental
exams for residents. In addition, one French doctor was able to
provide healthcare for one month in several remote villages. As far
as education is concerned, local authorities only permit the Church
to provide students with free notebooks, though during summer
vacation the church conducted several classes for students (NFI).
Nevertheless, Kiet is confident that the Lang Son PPC will allow the
church to establish nursery schools in the near future.
LANG SON LEADERSHIP
-------------------
¶9. (SBU) At lunch with Lang Son PPC Chairman Doan Ba Nhien, the
Ambassador noted that the Lang Son Cathedral is an impressive
testament to the spirit of cooperation between local officials and
the church clergy. Nhien said that the Lang Son leadership had
worked closely with Bishop Kiet, helping him to build the new
structure and to increase the number of Catholics in the province.
The Ambassador urged Chairman Nhien to find a way to resolve quickly
the church's application to recover the Na Sam property. There was
no further discussion of Catholic issues.
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¶10. (SBU) Lang Son Diocese is easily the most advanced Bishopric in
the north outside Hanoi. The beautiful, new cathedral is a strong
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testament to Kiet's success in convincing provincial authorities to
attend to the spiritual needs of the province's Catholics. It also
goes far to explain why the Vatican chose this unassuming, soft
spoken cleric as Hanoi Archbishop. We can expect that the Lang Son
PPC will continue to facilitate expansion of the Church in its
jurisdiction. Thai Nguyen Parish is worse off, mainly due to their
property concerns and a shortage of priests. Nevertheless, the
Church is also growing in that province, and relations with its PPC
remain amicable, if less productive. Both provinces demonstrate
that Catholics in most of the north are able to worship freely, or
at least with minimal constraints. Lang Son, in particular, is a
model that we will raise with less enlightened provinces like Ha
Giang and Son La (Ref B), which do not permit the Church to easily
minister to Catholics.
MARINE