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Viewing cable 06HOCHIMINHCITY538, MENNONITES AND POLICE IN CONFRONTATION IN HCMC

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Reference ID Created Released Classification Origin
06HOCHIMINHCITY538 2006-05-23 09:30 2011-08-25 00:00 UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY Consulate Ho Chi Minh City
VZCZCXRO3880
PP RUEHCHI RUEHDT RUEHNH RUEHPB
DE RUEHHM #0538 1430930
ZNR UUUUU ZZH
P 230930Z MAY 06
FM AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY
TO RUEHC/SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 0876
INFO RUEHHI/AMEMBASSY HANOI PRIORITY 0634
RUCNARF/ASEAN REGIONAL FORUM COLLECTIVE
RUEHHM/AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY 0915
UNCLAS HO CHI MINH CITY 000538 
 
SIPDIS 
 
SENSITIVE 
SIPDIS 
 
E.O. 12958: N/A 
TAGS: PHUM PREL KIRF SOCI PGOV VM
SUBJECT: MENNONITES AND POLICE IN CONFRONTATION IN HCMC 
 
REF: 05 HCMC 1182 AND PREVIOUS 
 
1.  (SBU) On May 23, political activist Do Nam Hai told us that 
Mennonite Pastor Nguyen Hong Quang and other members of his 
church had been detained by local HCMC District 2 police on May 
22.  Radio Free Asia also broadcast an interview with Pastor 
Quang's wife Le Thi Phu Dung in which she alleged that police 
assaulted members of Quang's church as they sought to rebuild 
their home, which also doubles as a house church.  Another RFA 
interviewee, Nguyen Thanh Nhan, said that Ms. Le Thi Hong Lien, 
another member of the "Mennonite 6" was beaten unconscious 
during the incident.  (Note: Pastor Quang, Nhan, Lien and three 
others were arrested in March 2004 following a confrontation 
with police in district 2 near Quang's home.  The imprisoned 
group collectively became known as the "Mennonite 6."  End 
Note.) 
 
2. (SBU) Later in the morning of May 23, we visited Pastor 
Quang's house to assess the situation and to speak with church 
members and neighbors.  Ms. Dung said that her husband and eight 
other members of the church -- including Lien, Pham Ngoc Thach 
and Nguyen Hieu Nghia, also members of the "Mennonite 6" -- were 
detained following an altercation with police.  The dispute 
arose over plans of the congregation to rebuild their home/house 
church.  Ms. Dung gave us a copy of a "house repair permit" from 
ward authoritiQ that she asserted allowed them to go ahead with 
construction. 
 
3. (SBU) Dung said that, on the morning of May 22, ward 
officials told them that the construction was illegal and 
ordered it removed.  Pastor Quang reportedly rejoindered that 
they had no written order authorizing stoppage or removal of the 
new construction and continued with the work.  That afternoon 
"many tens" of police came to Quang's house to remove the 
construction.  Dung and Nhan told us initially that it was at 
that time that they also assaulted the church workers who were 
at the building site.   However, after we reviewed the building 
permit, Dung and Nhan acknowledged that it only authorized 
repairs to the existing structure, not additions.  They 
confirmed that the roofline of the new structure was raised two 
meters (6.5 feet) above the original structure.  The new steel 
supports for the expanded building also had joists and hangers 
installed.  Dung told us that metal cross beams between the 
joists were removed by police the previous day.  Ms. Dung said 
that they were building an "attic for storage." 
 
4. (SBU) Dung and Nhan said that police ordered Pastor Quang and 
his followers to come down from the 2nd story where they 
working.  They refused.  Subsequently, police used ladders and 
electric batons to remove the workers one by one.  The situation 
became heated.  Le Thi Hong Lien came out of another portion of 
the house not under construction to "yell at police."  Her 
arrest was ordered.  When she refused to comply, she was carried 
out first by two, then by four police officers.  Her face was 
scratched during the process, but neither Nhan nor Dung alleged 
to us that she was beaten or made unconscious.  Nhan said that, 
during the effort to remove the church members from the 2nd 
story, police pushed Nghia, who fell to the ground unconscious. 
Church members claimed that he was beaten by police with an iron 
bar and kicked as he was taken away.  Nhan said that "even if 
the construction was illegal, police should have used due 
process to get us to remove the structure."  As of COB May 23, 
Quang and two others remained in police custody. 
 
5. (SBU) Comment:  Prior to this incident, Pastor Quang was able 
to hold church services in his home with minimal interference 
since his amnesty release from prison in September 2005. 
Despite his past history of tension with HCMC officials 
(reftel), he sought and received permission from local 
authorities to repair, but not expand his home.  (The area of 
Quang's home is zoned for major redevelopment and the city has 
placed a moratorium on property improvements to limit the 
compensation it must pay.) 
 
6. (SBU) Comment Continued:  There is little doubt that local 
authorities overreacted and did not follow due process.  The 
Mennonites allegations of excessive use of force also are 
troubling.  However, in this case, our discussions at the scene 
made it clear that Quang knowingly violated zoning laws and the 
repair permit.  When challenged by local officials, he refused 
to comply with orders to cease construction or police orders to 
come down peacefully from the roof.  Quang once again appears 
prepared to goad the easily-provoked police; it may not be 
coincidence that this incident occurred just as HCMC began 
hosting the APEC Trade Ministerial.  We are urging HCMC 
authorities to treat Quang and his group carefully and not to 
make him into a martyr.  There are many serious human rights or 
religious freedom cases in Vietnam.  As it currently stands, 
this incident does not appear to fit into that category.  End 
Comment. 
 
Winnick