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Viewing cable 02HANOI2369, MEETING WITH AFM HUNG

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02HANOI2369 2002-10-01 10:46 2011-08-25 00:00 UNCLASSIFIED Embassy Hanoi
This record is a partial extract of the original cable. The full text of the original cable is not available.

011046Z Oct 02

2002HANOI02369 - UNCLASSIFIED
 
 
 
                           UNCLASSIFIED     PTQ4439

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FM AMEMBASSY HANOI
TO SECSTATE WASHDC 7670
INFO AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY 
AMEMBASSY MEXICO
UNCLAS SECTION 01 OF 02 HANOI 002369 
 
SIPDIS 
 
FOR EAP/BCLTV AND DRL/RF 
 
E.O. 12958:  N/A 
TAGS: PREL PHUM PINS ETRD VM APEC RELFREE HUMANR
SUBJECT:  MEETING WITH AFM HUNG 
 
 
1.  (U)  CIRF:  IN A MEETING WITH AMBASSADOR ON OCTOBER 2 
(SEPTEL WILL COVER DISCUSSION OF THE TRIAL OF NGUYEN THI 
NGOC HANH), ASSISTANT FOREIGN MINISTER NGUYEN DUC HUNG 
EXPRESSED THE GVN'S "DISAPPOINTMENT" OVER THE RECENTLY 
REPORTED RECOMMENDATION OF THE US COMMISSION FOR 
INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (CIRF) TO INCLUDE VIETNAM ON 
COUNTRIES OF "PARTICULAR CONCERN" REGARDING ABUSES OF 
                       UNCLASSIFIED 
 
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RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.  (UNOFFICIAL TRANSLATION OF DIPLOMATIC 
NOTE IN PARA 4.)  HE CLAIMED THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION DID 
NOT "SHOW GOODWILL," NOR WAS IT "USEFUL" IN THE PROCESS OF 
DIALOGUE ON RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES.  HE 
EMPHASIZED THAT IT WAS "NOT GOOD" FOR THE PROMOTION OF 
BILATERAL RELATIONS, AND THAT IT WOULD "NOT HELP TO 
ACCELERATE" THE PROCESSES OF DIALOGUE.  HE INSISTED THAT 
INCLUDING VIETNAM ON THIS LIST WOULD BE "VERY BAD," ALTHOUGH 
HE ADMITTED THAT DIALOGUE WAS BETTER THAN NO DIALOGUE.  HE 
URGED AMBASSADOR TO CONVEY THIS CONCERN TO THE USG, WHICH 
AMBASSADOR AGREED TO DO, WHILE ALSO REITERATING THE VALUE OF 
DIALOGUE INCLUDING WHEN THE TWO SIDES DO NOT AGREE. 
 
2.  (U)  ACTOR:  AMBASSADOR RAISED THE CASE OF NOTED 
VIETNAMESE ACTOR DON DUONG, WHO IS REPORTED BY INTERNATIONAL 
MEDIA (AS WELL AS IN NUMEROUS LETTERS FROM HOLLYWOOD 
ENTERTAINMENT FIGURES) TO HAVE HAD HIS PASSPORT CONFISCATED 
AND TO BE UNDER THE THREAT OF ADDITIONAL PUNISHMENTS BY 
VIETNAMESE AUTHORITIES.  HE NOTED THE HARMFUL AFFECT THAT 
SUCH ACTIONS WOULD HAVE ON VIETNAM'S INTERNATIONAL IMAGE AND 
ASKED AFM HUNG'S ASSISTANCE IN COORDINATING WITH THE 
MINISTRY OF CULTURE TO DETERMINE THE TRUE FACTS OF THE CASE. 
 
3.  (U)  APEC:  AMBASSADOR EXPLAINED TO AFM HUNG 
ARRANGEMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE AT THIS YEAR'S APEC 
LEADERS' MEETING TO ALLOW FOR WHISPER INTERPRETERS AT THE 
TWO SOCIAL EVENTS AND URGED THAT THE GVN PROVIDE ITS OWN 
INTERPRETER FOR POSSIBLE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN PRESIDENT BUSH 
AND PRIME MINISTER KHAI AT THE DINNER AND LUNCH.  AFM HUNG 
NOTED THAT THE GVN HAD BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH THE 
GOVERNMENT OF MEXICO ON THESE ARRANGEMENTS.  AMBASSADOR ALSO 
                       UNCLASSIFIED 
 
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ASKED FOR AFM HUNG'S HELP IN ENSURING THAT THE USG WAS AWARE 
AHEAD OF TIME THE SUBJECTS PM KHAI WAS LIKELY TO RAISE WITH 
THE PRESIDENT SO THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT COULD ADEQUATELY 
BRIEF HIM TO ENSURE A MORE PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION.  AFM HUNG 
AGREED TO DO SO, AND ASKED THAT THE US SIDE DO THE SAME. 
 
4.  (UI)  INFORMAL TRANSLATION OF DIPLOMATIC NOTE: 
NO. 407/NG-CM 
 
THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF 
VIETNAM PRESENTS ITS COMPLIMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE 
OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND WOULD LIKE TO INFORM IT 
THAT: 
 
ON 30 SEPTEMBER 2002, THE U.S. COMMISSION ON INTERNATIONAL 
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM SUBMITTED A REPORT TO RECOMMEND THAT THE 
SECRETARY OF STATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CLASSIFY 
 
SIPDIS 
VIETNAM IN A LIST OF COUNTRIES OF PARTICULAR CONCERN IN THE 
AREA OF RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. THIS IS AN ACT THAT VERY MUCH 
LACKS GOODWILL AND IS FULL OF FIXED VIEWS OF THE U.S. CIRF 
TOWARD VIETNAM. 
 
IT NEEDS TO BE REAFFIRMED THAT IN VIETNAM THE RIGHT OF 
FREEDOM OF BELIEF AND OF NON-BELIEF IS GUARANTEED BY THE 
CONSTITUTION AND IS EXERCISED IN REAL LIFE IN THE SOCIALIST 
REPUBLIC OF VIETNAM.  THE REALITY OF THIS RIGHT OF FREEDOM 
HAS BEEN WIDELY RECOGNIZED BY THE INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC 
OPINION, INCLUDING THE OBJECTIVE PUBLIC OPINION OF US 
CITIZENS. 
 
IN THE LARGER INTERESTS OF VIETNAM-US RELATIONS, WHICH ARE 
                       UNCLASSIFIED 
 
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EXPANDING, AND WITH AN ATTITUDE OF GOODWILL, VIETNAM 
RECEIVED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE USCIRF IN FEBRUARY 2002 SO 
THAT THEY COULD WITNESS BIG CHANGES IN VIETNAM WITH THEIR 
OWN EYES.  THE COMMISSION ALSO RECEIVED ADDITIONAL 
INFORMATION THROUGH MEETING WITH VIETNAM'S DELEGATION OF 
RELIGIOUS LEADERS IN WASHINGTON IN MAY 2002.  HOWEVER, 
UNFORTUNATELY THIS COMMISSION STILL DELIBERATELY EVALUATED 
THE RELIGIOUS SITUATION IN VN INCORRECTLY AND SUBMITTED A 
NON-CONSTRUCTIVE RECOMMENDATION.  WE DEEM THE ABOVE 
RECOMMENDATION, IF ACCEPTED AND APPROVED, WILL NOT HELP THE 
PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTIVE AND CANDID DIALOGUE AIMED AT 
STRENGTHENING MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE PEOPLES OF 
THE TWO COUNTRIES, AND IT WILL AFFECT NEGATIVELY THE 
BENEFICIAL AND DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN VIETNAM AND 
THE UNITED STATES. 
 
THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF 
VIETNAM STRONGLY REQUESTS THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE OF THE 
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NOT TO ACCEPT THE ABOVE- MENTIONED 
RECOMMENDATION FULL OF FIXED IDEAS OF THE USCIRF. 
 
THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF 
VIETNAM AVAILS ITSELF OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RENEW TO THE 
 
                       UNCLASSIFIED 
 
                           UNCLASSIFIED     PTQ4440 
 
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ACTION EAP-00 
 
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        /004W 
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R 011046Z OCT 02 
FM AMEMBASSY HANOI 
TO SECSTATE WASHDC 7671 
INFO AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY 
AMEMBASSY MEXICO 
 
UNCLAS SECTION 02 OF 02 HANOI 002369 
 
SIPDIS 
 
FOR EAP/BCLTV AND DRL/RF 
 
DEPARTMENT OF STATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THE 
ASSURANCES OF ITS HIGHEST CONSIDERATION. 
 
1 OCTOBER 2002 
END TEXT 
BURGHARDT 
 
                       UNCLASSIFIED 
 
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                       UNCLASSIFIED