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### Viewing cable 06BRASILIA1193, COMMERCE SECRETARY GUTIERREZ MEETS WITH BRAZILIAN

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    SUBJECT: COMMERCE SECRETARY GUTIERREZ MEETS WITH BRAZILIAN
    POLICYMAKERS

    ¶1. (SBU) Summary.  After Secretary Gutierrez's June 5-6 discussions
    in Rio de Janeiro at the Association of American Chambers of
    Commerce of Latin America (AACLA) annual meeting and the bilateral
    U.S.-Brazil Commercial  Dialogue (septels), he traveled to Brasilia
    for sessions with government policymakers on June 7.  Inter alia,
    OPIC President Robert Mosbacher Jr., USDOC A/S David Bohigian, State
    DAS Patrick Duddy, US Patent and Trademark Office Deputy Director
    Steve Pinkos, USDOC Office Director for Latin America John Andersen,
    and the Charge d'Affaires accompanied the Secretary on his calls in
    Brasilia.  In his meetings with Lula Chief of Staff Dilma Rousseff,
    Vice-Minister of External Relations Samuel Pinheiro Guimaraes, and
    Justice Minister Marcio Thomaz Bastos, the Secretary discussed
    themes such as the need to reinvigorate Brazil-U.S. two-way trade,
    the threat to Occidental Petroleum's interests in Ecuador, the
    situation in Bolivia, peacekeeping in Haiti, Venezuela, American
    industry's desire to help Brazil prepare for the 2007 Pan-American
    Games, ethanol, GSP renewal, and protection of intellectual property
    rights.

    ¶2.  (SBU) Meanwhile, Brazilian Ambassador to the U.S. Abdenur
    requested that the USG upgrade Brazil from its current Special 301
    Priority Watch List status and maintain Brazil's GSP eligibility
    when Congress renews that program.  Finally, in a separate session
    with resident Latin American Ambassadors, the Secretary reiterated
    the President's commitment to promoting democracy and social justice
    within the hemisphere.  End Summary.

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    Chief of Staff Rousseff
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    ¶3.  (SBU)  In a friendly 40 minute meeting with Lula Chief of Staff
    Dilma Rousseff, the Secretary underscored the USG's desire to deepen
    trade trade relations with Brazil.  The goal of the bilateral
    Commercial Dialogue inaugurated in Rio de Janeiro the day before, he
    explained, was to help both U.S. and Brazilian business take better
    advantage of existing commercial opportunities.  Both Rousseff and
    the Secretary agreed on the need for a positive result in the
    ongoing WTO Doha Round negotiations, with Rousseff emphasizing the
    particular importance to Brazil of a breakthrough on agriculture.

    ¶4.  (SBU)  On energy issues, the Secretary observed that in the wake
    of the Ecuadorian government's seizure of its assets, the American
    company Occidental Petroluem faces a difficult situation in that
    country.  He stated that he hoped that the Brazilian government and
    industry did not act in a way that divided our two nations.
    Rousseff replied that while the Ecuadorians contemplated that a
    state-run petroleum company (like Brazil's Petrobras) might be
    recruited to develop Occidental's field, neither the GOB nor
    Petrobras had any such intent to do so.  Rousseff noted that while
    it would continue to operate its other assets in Ecuador, Petrobras
    (a respected player on the international scene) had no interest in
    usurping Occidental's position.  Should the GOB's position on this
    issue change in any way, she added, Petrobras would consult first
    with Occidental Petroleum to protect that company's interests.
    Finally, in response to the Secretary's offer as to whether the USG
    could help regarding the threat to Petrobras assets in Bolivia,
    Rousseff stated that although difficult negotiations were still
    ahead the situation in Bolivia appeared to have stabilized.

    ¶5. (SBU) OPIC President Mosbacher thanked Rousseff for the positive

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    role she played in resolving the investment dispute between
    Petrobras and El Paso regarding the Macae thermoelectric plant.
    Rousseff acknowledged the importance of attracting continued foreign
    direct investment to Brazil.  Switching gears, Mosbacher outlined
    OPIC's plans to increase its support to overseas financial
    institutions which provide residential mortgage lending.  Rousseff
    stated that strengthening access to housing was one of the GOB's
    principal priorities and said that she would encourage Demian
    Fiocca, the head of Brazil's National Development Bank (BNDES), to
    meet with Mosbacher during Fiocca's trip to Washington the week of
    June 12. (Note:  this meeting subsequently occurred on Monday, June
    12.)

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    Vice-Foreign Minister Guimaraes
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    ¶6.  (SBU)  Accompanied by Ministry U/S for Political Affairs Antonio
    Patriota, Acting U/S for Economic Affairs Antonino Porto e Santos,
    and the Ministry's aides for North American Affairs and Intellectual
    Property rights, Guimaraes welcomed the Gutierrez delegation.  The
    Secretary began by explaining that the Commercial Dialogue sprang

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    from the desire to capitalize on the positive report between the
    President and Lula, adding that both the Secretary and Trade
    Minister Furlan were pushing for tangible results in the short-term.
     Guimaraes (who is not noted for his pro-American stances) stated
    that Lula values his excellent relationship with President Bush, and
    that our two countries enjoy an excellent dialogue, notwithstanding
    our differences.

    ¶7.  (SBU)  Both Guimaraes and the Secretary agreed on the importance
    of coming to an agreement within the Doha Round on agricultural
    subsidies, although the Secretary pointed out that whatever accord
    reached would have to contain gains on NAMA and services if it were
    to pass muster with the Administration and the U.S. Congress.
    Ambassador Abdenur stated that Brazil was worried about statements
    made by influential members of Congress to the effect that pending
    legislation reauthorizing GSP benefits might not include Brazil
    within that program.  Abdenur noted that such a move would
    negatively affect both the bilateral relationship and the image of
    the U.S. in Brazil.  The Secretary replied that within the U.S.
    Congress, some had indeed begun to question whether Brazil should
    continue to receive GSP but that debate on this issue was in a very
    preliminary stage.

    ¶8.  (SBU)  The discussion on regional issues touched upon Haiti,
    Bolivia, Venezuela, and Ecuador.  The Secretary thanked Brazil for
    the leadership it had shown on peacekeeping in Haiti and stated that
    with respect to Bolivia, friends should help friends wherever
    possible.  Guimaraes said that Brazil's efforts on Bolivia were
    proving effective as that issue was disappearing from the local
    press.  He observed that Brazil was not without leverage on Bolivia
    as from 50,000 to 70,000 Bolivians lived in Brazil (versus 2,000 to
    10,000 Brazilians in Bolivia), and gas represented a mere 4% of
    Brazil national energy matrix (although 50% of that amount came from
    Bolivia).  In the context of comments on democratization within the
    region, the Secretary noted that one country - i.e., Venezuela -
    should not divide us.  (Guimaraes, however, appeared to take this as
    a reference to Bolivia.)  Finally, the Secretary reiterated the
    points he made to Chief of Staff Rousseff about protecting
    Occidental Petroleum in Ecuador.  Guimaraes' response was similar to

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    that of Rousseff - i.e., that Petrobras would not usurp
    Occidental's position.

    ¶9.  (SBU)  On the subject of ethanol, the Secretary stated that in
    his meetings with Minister Furlan in Rio de Janeiro, he had urged
    Brazil to attend a scheduled June 26-27 IDB meeting in Trinidad and
    Tobago on ethanol-related issues.  Discussions at the ICE talks
    demonstrated that the U.S. and Brazil might be able to usefully
    engage on ethanol at the technical level, he said.  In closing,
    Guimaraes stated that at the annual 3+1 (Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay
    + U.S.) talks on counter-terrorism all sides consistently agreed
    that there was no evidence that terrorists had any footprint in
    Brazil.  Yet, he complained, in public remarks USG officials
    sometimes stated otherwise, without offering any evidence to back
    their claims up.  Show us the names and the evidence, he declared,
    and Brazil will take follow up action.  Charge explained that in the
    area of terrorist financing, often it was a question of the ultimate
    destination of funds that were flowing out of the tri-border region
    and the adjacent Sao Paulo area.

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    Justice Minister Bastos
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    ¶10.  (SBU)  Bastos opened the meeting by noting the progress that
    Brazil has made on copyright piracy from late 2004 to the present.
    He stated that the government had put in place a National
    Anti-piracy Council which was coordinating, in conjunction with
    Brazilian law enforcement, tax, and customs authorities, the
    country-wide campaign to stamp out piracy.  Apprehensions of pirate
    goods had increased dramatically, he continued, particularly along
    the infamous tri-border (Brazil, Paraguay, and Argentina) area.

    ¶11. (SBU)  CNCP Executive Secretary Marcio Goncalves (a Ministry of
    Justice employee) added that the positive results the Council had
    achieved would help reduce organized crime as the trade in pirate
    goods had strong links to criminal elements.  Given the danger posed
    to the public by items such as counterfeit medical devices, auto
    parts, and other safety-related products, he stated, the GOB's
    crackdown had helped increase public security.  Finally, Goncalves
    stated that in addition to its law enforcement efforts, the GOB had
    worked hard to educate the public about the human cost of piracy.
    He hoped that affected industry would work more vigorously to do the
    same.

    ¶12. (SBU)  Secretary Gutierrez expressed his appreciation for the
    GOB's efforts and noted that through ongoing dialogue with USG law
    enforcement agencies the United States was being supportive.  USPTO
    Deputy Director Pinkos outlined his agency's plans to assist its
    Brazilian counterpart through training and technical assistance.
    Thereafter, the Brazilian Ambassador to the U.S., Roberto Abdenur,
    asked that the USG do what it could to upgrade the Brazilian
    government from its current Priority Watch List status.

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    OPIC's Mosbacher Discusses Housing Finance
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    ¶13. (SBU) Finally, in separate June 7 meetings, OPIC President
    Mosbacher Jr. discussed prospects for development of Brazil's
    housing finance market with Finance Ministry Economic Policy

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    Secretary Sergio de Almeida and officials of Caixa Economica Federal

    SIPDIS
    (CEF), the parastatal bank that administers a fund dedicated to
    financing housing for low income borrowers.  While Brazil still has
    a significant housing deficit, Almeida noted that the private
    mortgage market, aided by reforms of the legal framework, was taking
    off.  A secondary market also was developing, with over Reals 7
    billion (USD 3.2 billion) in mortgage-backed securities issued.
    While construction and mortgage lending are booming, builders and
    banks are targeting upper and middle income consumers given the
    greater profitability of this market segment.  The CEF officials
    explained their bank uses a fund financed by payroll taxes to
    finance low income housing but nevertheless has trouble reaching the
    poorest.  Moreover, its resources are modest in comparison to the
    size of the housing deficit, which is concentrated among the poor.

    ¶14. (SBU) Mosbacher advocated for streamlined licensing and
    permitting requirements for housing projects.  Such measures, he
    argued, could help niche builders turn a profit in lower-income
    housing projects.   The problem of licensing that many builders have
    noted is exacerbated by the larger scale necessary for builders to
    achieve profitability on low-margin low-cost housing projects.
    There are also new cost-saving technologies that can help, Mosbacher
    said.  Almeida and the CEF officials expressed interest in the new
    technologies and in the approach to financing low-income housing
    taken in other countries; they welcomed the OPIC role in catalyzing
    U.S. private investment in these markets in Brazil.

    ¶15. (U)  This cable was cleared by the Gutierrez delegation prior to
    transmission.

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